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Discussion in 'Sports' started by njlefty, Dec 26, 2016.

  1. asum4me2

    asum4me2 Contributing Member

    If he's not a shoo-in,then he's REALLY close. Probably the most dominant pitcher since Pedro.

    What's amazing is how similar both he and Koufax are:
    Both are Dodgers.
    Both are southpaws.
    Both have three Cy Young Awards.
    Both have one MVP award.
    Both led the league in complete games twice.
    Both led the league in shutouts three times.
    Both led the league in WHIP four consecutive years.
    Both are six time All-Stars.
    Both won the Cy Young Award & the MVP award in the same season once.

    Koufax led the league in strikeouts four times, while Kershaw has done it three times.
    Koufax led the league in ERA five times, while Kershaw has done it four times.

    The only significant difference between the two,are their postseason stats.
     
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  2. Greeneyedude

    Greeneyedude Senior Member


    " only significant difference"??

    Lol too funny , that's like saying there isn't much difference between a guy who has both legs or just one leg

    Koufax opened the 63' WS by striking out the side on ten pitches

    He closed out the '65 series on two days rest with zero command of his curve . Shut down an excellent hitting Twins club only using fastballs that no one could see let alone hit.

    Never saw Feller but I'll still say Koufax by a wide margin was the best pitcher since Bob
     
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  3. asum4me2

    asum4me2 Contributing Member

    I never said Kershaw was better than Koufax or vice-versa. I simply said that their careers are VERY similar. And I think I've given you more than enough examples to validate my point.

    FWIW, Koufax's lifetime ERA was 2.76............Kershaw's is 2.37. Also Kershaw has a MUCH better K/BB ratio too. Koufax's ratio was just under 3/1. Kershaw's is over 4/1.

    Keep in mind too that Kershaw's only 28 yrs.old. I don't see him retiring at age 30 like Koufax did.
     
  4. jaguar567

    jaguar567 Member

    Two guys who won't get a sniff of the HOF...........Jeff Kent......Albert Belle..........both terrible guys,...but gaudy stats........look up they're numbers
    you will be amazed. How does Craig Biggio (lifetime Ba .280) and Bill Maz get in but Kent won't come close. Oh, we know why,...he
    was a redneck Asshole. Two other guys worthy,.....both Dodger first baseman.......Steve Garvey,...Gil Hodges.
     
  5. Greeneyedude

    Greeneyedude Senior Member

    Correct you gave plenty of examples except for the most important one , playoff performance

    LA has been winning the division the last few years but go nowhere in the playoffs cause he chokes in the playoffs . That's why I'd take my guy Bumgarner everytime cause he's a winner.

    As far as K/B.B. Ratio , Sandy couldn't find the plate his first few years until his catcher norm sherry told him he's throwing the ball too hard. He took some speed off the ball and the rest was history
     
  6. gdaddy100

    gdaddy100 Member

    All True !
    But......in The Post Season , when it Really Counts,
    He's a Loser.....4-7......4.55 ERA :eek: !
    If you were to bet your $$$ on Him.......You'd be a Loser too !
    I'm just sayin'.
     
  7. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    Maz only got in for defensive play. He also got in via Veterans Committee and not writers. The man had friends.
     
  8. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    I'll also say that any objective look at Jeff Kent's stats -- he deserved to be in. I never thought of him as a "redneck."

    He could think for himself and he pushed back when he wanted to -- one of the few that I know who stood up to asshole Barry Bonds. Read a few stories about how Bonds was in the clubhouse. Asshole is being kind to him.

    Kent may be laughing all the way to the bank. He owns a 4,000 acre ranch, a private country club, and a string of motorcyle and ATV dealerships.
     
  9. asum4me2

    asum4me2 Contributing Member

    Man,I'm glad you aren't a member of the BBWAA. A little too much Dodger love IMO. o_O

    Albert Belle & Jeff Kent both played during the steroid era,and neither one of them even have 400 HRs or 1600 RBIs. No,they aren't HOFers even if they're warm & fuzzy guys. :yuck:

    Steve Garvey???? Really??? Steve Garvey did a lot of things GOOD. But he wasn't GREAT at anything.:meh:

    Hodges??? Ummm,,,,,,,,no.:meh:

    Biggio belongs in the HOF based on him having over 3000 hits,which is usually the benchmark for induction.

    I do agree with you about Mazeroski though. The guy had one shining moment in an otherwise mediocre career,and made the HOF because of it. He's the Joe Namath of MLB.:meh:
     
  10. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    You sure about Kent?

    When I look at his stats, he matches up pretty good for the HOF.

    16 years with a .290 batting average, 377 homeruns.
     
  11. asum4me2

    asum4me2 Contributing Member

    I agree. His postseason performances have mostly sucked. If I have to win one playoff game, I also would take Mad-Bum over Kershaw. Much like I would also take Bob Gibson over Nolan Ryan to win one playoff game.

    Having said that,I believe that Kershaw will eventually do enough to get into the HOF on his first year of eligibility someday.
     
  12. asum4me2

    asum4me2 Contributing Member

    He was a steady hitter,but once again,in the era of steroids he averaged 23-24 HRs a year! And he had more teams on his resume (6) than he did All-Star appearances (5).:meh:
     
  13. Greeneyedude

    Greeneyedude Senior Member

    I get your analogy, but Ryan was a career.500 pitcher who did next to nothing in the playoffs

    Best known for beating the crap out of Robin Ventura and hanging around long enough to rack up some big numbers .

    Speaking of charging the mound , guys were told don't try to go after Gibson , he went several rounds in the golden gloves and could kick some major ass
     
  14. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    Most likely a moot point, too. I believe his voting numbers have declined and that avenue is closed. He does not seem like a guy who would get Veterans Committee support, unless I am misreading that Committee as just a vote for Most Popular.
     
  15. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    I took another look at Belle's stats.

    Setting aside everything except the numbers, I see him middling and not HOF.
     
  16. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    Trevor Hoffman going in?

    Numbers look good to me.
     
  17. asum4me2

    asum4me2 Contributing Member

    One of only two relief pitchers with over 600 saves. The other being Rivera. If Rivera is a lock,then so is Hoffman..........and Hoffman did it with far worse teams.
     
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  18. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    His first year of eligibility was in 2016. I've heard his name mentioned by more than one writer. In looking at his stats, he has excellent numbers over a long period.
     
  19. seaver15

    seaver15 Senior Member

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    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

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