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Is Trump the Bastard President?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by NJShoreGuy51, Jan 17, 2017.

  1. NJShoreGuy51

    NJShoreGuy51 Senior Member

    Rep. John Lewis has hit a nerve with the soon-to-be President Trump. Is Trump a bastard President?

    Many Democrats and Independents have called for an independent Commission to be convene with bipartisan members to look at the FBI, CIA and intelligence files to determine what connection Russia had to the Trump campaign. While no one knows for certain what the extent the hacking had on the election outcome, a fair hearing while not changing the outcome may help prevent future similar events and help in removing the cloud over this issue.

    Clearly, the President-Elect is unnerved by the idea that he may have stole the election or it was fixed in his favor. It delegitimizes him and for someone who prides himself on being right, it could be a bitter pill to swallow. The irony is he now suffers the same question as he fostered on President Obama , that of possible illegitimacy.

    Donald Trump will be the 45th President of the United States. History will record this achievement but the record will show it with an asterisk provided by one V. Putin. An asterisk that as Trump moves daily closer to this Russian leader, begs for a look at Putin's hacking so as to determine whether Trump's Presidency is a fraud.
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2017
  2. sirdosser

    sirdosser Senior Member

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  3. tryan125a

    tryan125a Retired

    I honestly don't know how we got here........but then:
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  4. lenslovr

    lenslovr Senior Member

    Here's what I don't get... There's zero evidence of any voter fraud perpetrated by Russia. There's zero evidence that anything released by Wikileaks during the election was false. There's zero evidence that Russia forced HRC to store and send classified emails from her private server.

    In other words, what did Russia do? Did they help to expose how awful a candidate HRC was? Probably. Is that somehow bad for America? Maybe. I guess they could have helped to expose how awful a a candidate Trump was, but I'm not sure it would have mattered.

    Trump was
    • historically unpopular
    • called Mexicans rapists and murderers
    • fought with many prominent members of his party (McCain, Ryan, etc)
    • possibly mocked a disabled reporter
    • possibly made fun of Megyn Kelly for being on her period
    • had his own Wikileaks-style scandal (Billy Bush and "grab 'em by the pussy")
    The list could go on and on. Despite all that, he won. He won because his message resonated with a big chunk of America, and because a big chunk of America hated HRC before any of the Russian meddling.

    Donald Trump is your president. Donald Trump is my president. Donald Trump is Hillary Clinton's president.
  5. Kdrralph

    Kdrralph New Member

    Although, it would be funny as shit if Obama resigned one day before the inauguration to let Biden become president.

    Then Trump would be 46*.

    And would really fuck up Trump's merchandising.
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  6. tryan125a

    tryan125a Retired


    when the biggest entertainment craze is reality tv, this is the outcome.
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  7. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    A hobby board is generally a bunch of cranky old white guys craving young pussy.

    It's hard to get a sense of the country from that viewpoint only.
  8. tryan125a

    tryan125a Retired

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  9. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    Beer works.

    Some of the cranky old white guys here are ex stoners, so you have to throw the Woodstock Generation into the mix.
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  10. Greeneyedude

    Greeneyedude Senior Member

    What I'd like to see is Trumputin put Obama on the high court

    Of course that would never happen but would first be a great choice. Second go over well with most of the country
  11. tryan125a

    tryan125a Retired

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  12. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    You're right.

    Johnny Cash born in 1932 would make him median age for the Monger Demographic.

    Those old coots never grow up!
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  13. lenslovr

    lenslovr Senior Member

    You have a strange definition of most
  14. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    We need Conservative Originalists on the Supreme Court.

    In that way, we in the hobby can find out our privacy right does not exist in the Constitution.
  15. Greeneyedude

    Greeneyedude Senior Member

    most doesnt mean all and with Hillary winning the popular vote by almost 3 million, gotta figure yeah, most folks would be happy with the nomination
  16. NJShoreGuy51

    NJShoreGuy51 Senior Member

    There's a significant difference between Voter Fraud and Influencing an Election, And while I agree with you , as far as we know there is no voting fraud ( and I for one, don't believe there was any), the focus of a Non-Partisan Commission would not be Voter Fraud. Rather it would be to examine the evidence of the Russian hacking to determine the Who, What , Where and When along with any evidence of misconduct, complicity (intentional or otherwise) and duplicity that may have occurred. The benefit of which would be in the future to protect our Voting Rights and to assure a safe and fair election process.

    Would you or anyone be opposed to that and it's purpose?
  17. wamulover

    wamulover Senior Member , Order of Original Thinkers

    I for one would not be opposed to such an investigation. In fact, I encourage it.

    I think it's a lovely idea. So I pen this letter:

    Dear Democrats:

    Please work your hardest alongside some of the angry members of our party to investigate election fraud and illegal hacking. Please focus all of your energies on determining the great lengths that Russia reached in releasing HRC's emails. Think of nothing else, but the legitimacy of Trump's Presidency. Please don't focus on absurd filibusters. Don't focus on trying to uphold Obamacare. Ignore immigration reform. Your focus must be the hacking of the DNC. At all times this is what you should be concentrating on. Grab John McCain - he'll willingly go for the ride with you. I'm sure that Lindsey Graham will also be happy to join you.

    When GOP policy (hopefully) begins empowering minorities to better their horrid lots in life, continue looking the other way: squarely at Russia and Vladimir Putin. When the budget is balanced because pork is cut out of a large number of bills, don't concern yourselves. Remember, the ultimate goal for the party of assess is an asterisk by the number 45. Successful people always keep their eyes on the prize. Think positive. Be successful. Get Donald Trump and DESTROY his legitimacy.

    There will come a time when you take a look around and realize that the paper castle you've been constructing since the Great Depression is about to crumble. Don't worry - so long as you focus on the trumps legitimacy nothing else will matter. You may turn on MSNBC and they'll decry you for letting the GOP run rough shod over the nation. It's ok. One day, you might see a black man or a latino woman tell the story of how through the diminishment of oppressive regulations they got a fantastic job, left their 1 bedroom in Paterson and bought a house in the suburbs. This will hurt you. A lot. But so long as you can destroy Trump, the sacrifice is worth it.

    Lastly, and in all seriousness, do serious damage to the trump. Because perhaps - this can be a win-win. Imagine this? Woman hating, racist Trump decides not to run in 2020. he is utterly DISGRACED by the fact that it was, indeed, Putin who released the DNC's emails. The fact has now been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. You win!!!!!! He's out. Done. Gone forever into the ether of American history. He slinks back to Trump Tower, leaving a trail of orange goo behind him. Marco Rubio then drinks many cups of water, runs for President and wins! A Hispanic president. History made yet again! You win. I win. Everyone wins. God Bless America. You can even take credit for electing the 2nd minority in our country's history. Two for two ain't bad, Dems.

    Please heed my words. Don't look at us (the GOP) We'll be hiding in the corner working diligently to fix the issue that you master manipulators created. Focus on bad Donny, we'll be over here. In the corner. Right where you like us.

    We Remain, Very Truly Yours,

    The Party of Lincoln
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  18. Atl Guy

    Atl Guy Member

    So does this investigation of influencing the electorate happen before, during or after the one for Democratic Primary? It seems the DP has more evidence or at least solid leads to follow up on than the General Election.
  19. NJShoreGuy51

    NJShoreGuy51 Senior Member

    Two partisan answers. And I'm sure you see mine as one too. Fair enough. The issue will haunt President Trump through his four years and as he gets closer to Putin, the drumbeat will get worse.

    A Comission would investigate the Russians and how it hacked the DNC, RNC, the White House servers and any and all links to anyone who allowed it to happen, set it up, or collaborated on it. It's not an investigation into Trump, Hillary or the RNC or DNC and their political operations. It's about Foreign inference in an American election.

    Thanks for your thoughts.
    Last edited: Jan 17, 2017
  20. wamulover

    wamulover Senior Member , Order of Original Thinkers

    Every single word I wrote was sincere. It is my fondest hope that the DNC and the media focus on NOTHING but the Russian hacking at least for the next two years!

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