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Trump and The Media at War

Discussion in 'Politics' started by NJShoreGuy51, Jan 22, 2017.

  1. NJShoreGuy51

    NJShoreGuy51 Senior Member

    Trump's 'war with the media' raises questions of trust
    Associated Press
    DAVID BAUDER 5 hours ago
    NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump's "running war" on the media is continuing into his presidency, with statements over the weekend calling into question the extent to which information from the White House can be trusted.

    White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer on Monday will hold his first daily press briefing at which he could face questions about a statement Saturday night that included demonstrably false assertions about the crowd size at Friday's inauguration and a promise by the new administration that "we're going to hold the press accountable."

    Some Trump supporters will no doubt cheer the continued antagonism toward the media that was central to the Republican's campaign for president. Now the stakes are higher.

    Press secretaries have been lied to by their bosses, or misled reporters through the omission of information, but veteran journalist Dan Rather said Sunday it was the first time he could recall false material being delivered in this way.

    "I hope that people will stop, pull back for what we in television call a wide shot and see what is happening," Rather said. "This is a deliberate propaganda campaign."

    Longtime Republican operative Spicer, who most recently was the spokesman for the Republican National Committee and also worked for President George W. Bush, is known for fighting tenaciously for his employers. His briefing on Saturday followed a Trump appearance at the CIA where the president criticized the media for its reporting his criticisms of the intelligence community and took exception to stories saying the crowd for his inauguration was smaller than those for predecessor Barack Obama. Trump declared that journalists are "the most dishonest human beings on Earth," saying "I have a running war with the media."

    Spicer made two unprovable statements in his briefing: that photographs of the audience at Trump's inaugural were intentionally framed to minimize the appearance of support, and that Trump drew the largest audience ever to witness an inauguration.

    But he also made statements that were quickly disproven: that the Washington Metro system recorded more riders on the day of Trump's inaugural than when Obama was sworn in for his second term, that Friday marked the first time that white floor covering was used on the Washington Mall that amplified empty spaces, and it was the first time spectators were required to pass through magnetometers to enter the Mall.

    Spicer's briefing, during which he did not take questions from reporters, was televised live on Fox News Channel and MSNBC. CNN did not air the session but showed highlights later.

    Trump's first press conference after he was elected, on Jan. 11, also took aim at the media. Coming hours after news reports revealed intelligence officials had presented Trump with unsubstantiated and salacious allegations regarding his relationship to Russia, Trump and his team condemned news organizations that disclosed details, calling out CNN and BuzzFeed as "disgraceful" and refusing to take questions from a CNN reporter.

    Confronted by "Meet the Press" host Chuck Todd on Sunday with "falsehoods" stated by Spicer, Trump adviser Kellyanne Conway called them "alternative facts." She accused Todd of laughing at her and said he symbolizes how Trump has been treated by the media.

    One person who has been in Spicer's position, former White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer, said it seemed clear to him that Spicer was acting on orders from his boss. Press secretaries have to walk a fine line between reflecting the thinking and wishes of the president while trying to help the people covering him do their jobs, said Fleischer, who, like Spicer, worked for Bush.

    Fleischer said he never knowingly delivered false information to the press while at the White House.

    "You can't do that," he said. "It will shorten your career."

    When Spicer faces the press on Monday, he needs to elaborate on his argument, "take the hard questions and demonstrate reasonableness," Fleischer said.

    The conservative web site breitbart.com led its site with an article headlined: "White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer blasts media's 'deliberately false reporting.'" The article said that Spicer's "criticism of the media's fake news reporting resulted in a media meltdown on social media."

    Yet it's a crucial time for Spicer's reputation. A press secretary whose word can't be trusted has no value to anyone, said Terence Hunt, a longtime White House correspondent and editor for The Associated Press who recently retired.

    "You can't tell lies in the White House," Hunt said. "Somebody will smoke you out, on issues large and small. The president's integrity and credibility are at stake in everything you say, so be super careful."

    If the White House can't be trusted to tell the truth on a relatively trivial matter like crowd size, the public will wonder about the reliability of information on important topics like terrorism or the nuclear capabilities of North Korea, said Ben Mullin, a managing editor at the Poynter Institute who does a podcast on the relationship between Trump and the press.

    Former CBS anchor Rather, who famously tangled with the Nixon White House during the Watergate era, said the situation saddened him.

    "I don't think the American people as a whole, whether they supported Donald Trump or not, want a situation where the press secretary to the president comes out and knowingly tells a lie," he said.

    Yahoo Sunday Jan. 22
  2. sirdosser

    sirdosser Senior Member

    Enter the new era of "alternative facts." Thanks Kelleyanne.
  3. Johnxxx69

    Johnxxx69 Senior Member

    Yes. The media was always credible before the days of President Donald Trump :rolleyes:
  4. I think the media deserves it after giving him so much coverage. Now he's in and can say "Fuck you, I don't need you anymore." He's done this a lot and fucked a lot of people in business deals. The media is no different.
  5. seaver15

    seaver15 Senior Member

    The phrase "alternative facts" may be new. The disregard for facts and objective evidence, however, really took off during the W administration which openly demonized "reality based" viewpoints in favor of "faith based" ones. Then, throughout the Obama administration, the teabaggers and their shameless exploiters in the Republican party just made shit up and proudly denied actual facts for 8 years. Of course, this trend exploded during Agent Orange's campaign and fake news was born. So Agent Orange and his crew of miscreants didn't invent alternative facts, they have just taken it to a new level.
  6. Atl Guy

    Atl Guy Member

    "I don't think the American people as a whole, whether they supported Donald Trump or not, want a situation where the press secretary to the president comes out and knowingly tells a lie," he said.

    Where the hell has this person been for the last 8 years? Obama kept trotting out different lackeys toting the party line and lying.
  7. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    My prediction is Trump will resign within one year due to aggravation over low TV ratings.

    We will then have President Pence whacking mongers over the head for hobbying.

    Bible thumper. Someone perceived as aggressively imposing their Christian beliefs upon others. The term derives from preachers thumping their hands down on the Bible, or thumping the Bible itself, to emphasize a point during a sermon.

    MAXIMUS Contributing Member

    wah wah wah - whine whine whine :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

    the main stream fake media is obviously as dumb as the LIBTART R US movement - it was THEY who portrayed a fake reality where Shrilly Hilly has a 91% chance of winning - they are circling the drain - hemorrhaging money and on the brink of world wide collapse

    Mainstream fake media is fucked & they know it :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
  9. wamulover

    wamulover Senior Member , Order of Original Thinkers

    This may be true, but your boy looks awful sending Spicer up there to blatantly lie about easily provable facts. I wonder why the trump doesn't just let the MSM hang itself? They've been doing a fine job. They lied, themselves, at least 3 times about the inaugural:

    MLK Bust
    Nielsen Ratings
    Baron Trump

    He should follow his agenda and let them lie and hang. He can't make the same mistake the piece of crap Nixon made.
    Atl Guy and MAXIMUS like this.

    MAXIMUS Contributing Member

    LOL - because as per my OP in THE DONALD thread, my boy Saint Dick is a jerkoff !! ;)

    but that is a insignificant matter if he is successful in delaying the collapse of Western Civilization by enough to avoid a 1000 years of dark ages that will no doubt come with the environmental collapse, and wars over water, food, resources not to mention islamification and chinafication - lets not forget that Mao exterminated more people than Hitler and the Keiser combined ;)
  11. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    I've learned more about world history on a hobby board than I ever did in high school.
  12. Greeneyedude

    Greeneyedude Senior Member

    Only if you want to believe " alternative facts"

    Pretty funny ms meth head accused Chuck of laughing at her

    MAXIMUS Contributing Member

    alternative facts like Shrilly Hilly is winning by a landslide ?

    or that the Clinton foundation is now receiving more donations than when Shitlary was selling access ?

    or that the main stream media is has journalistic integrity ?

  14. wamulover

    wamulover Senior Member , Order of Original Thinkers

    Here we go again being mysogynistic.

    Buy. Play. Trade. Repeat. Yikes
  15. Greeneyedude

    Greeneyedude Senior Member

    " journalistic integrity "???

    You mean like what Fox offers?

    Couple of years ago your lord O'reilly had on an environmental scientist. Bill said " u can't offer any scientific evidence for how the tides in the ocean work. God controls the tides"

    The scientist looked at him like Bill was from the moon and said " any grammar school kid would tell u the gravity of the moon controls the ocean tides"

    With devos as the education secretary fully expect science school books in the future to give God credit for everything
  16. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    I was reading an article today that among the biggest "Doomsday Preppers" now are the folks with money in the tech and computer industries.

    Generally, those are pretty smart folks.

    Maybe they are on to something.
  17. seaver15

    seaver15 Senior Member

    Press conference alternative fact #1: Federal employment did not increase in recent years. It decreased under President Obama.
  18. njlefty

    njlefty Senior Member +My Reviews

    I've been tunneling for weeks now and I'm damn glad. Another bad weekend in the White House and I'll be borrowing Mayor Hague's concrete walls.;)
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  19. Greeneyedude

    Greeneyedude Senior Member

    Watch he won't call on anyone from CNN
  20. wamulover

    wamulover Senior Member , Order of Original Thinkers

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